{"id":173,"date":"2019-12-03T02:27:17","date_gmt":"2019-12-03T02:27:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/micahhanks.com\/podcast\/?p=173"},"modified":"2019-12-03T02:27:17","modified_gmt":"2019-12-03T02:27:17","slug":"12-02-19-mad-scientists-and-metamaterials","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/micahhanks.com\/podcast\/2019\/12\/03\/12-02-19-mad-scientists-and-metamaterials\/","title":{"rendered":"12.02.19. Mad Scientists and Metamaterials"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6898\"><!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-173-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/gralienreport\/120219_Mad_Scientists_and_Metamaterials.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/gralienreport\/120219_Mad_Scientists_and_Metamaterials.mp3\">http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/gralienreport\/120219_Mad_Scientists_and_Metamaterials.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/gralienreport\/120219_Mad_Scientists_and_Metamaterials.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/micahhanks.com\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=173-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/gralienreport\/120219_Mad_Scientists_and_Metamaterials.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"120219_Mad_Scientists_and_Metamaterials.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/micahhanks.com\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/micahhanks.com\/podcast\/subscribe\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p><p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">This week on <i>The Micah Hanks Program<\/i>, we lead off with a recap of the debate over alleged samples of \u201calien\u201d meta-materials, which are currently in the hands of Tom DeLonge\u2019s To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. The samples were sold to TTSA by UFO researcher Linda Moulton Howe, who obtained them from the late radio host Art Bell. There are a number of odd stories of near-mythic proportions associated with them, and now even the U.S. Army is interested in studying the samples and any unusual properties they may possess. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">To address this, we are then joined Chris Cogswell, who received his Ph.D. in Chemical Engineering focusing on the study of nanomaterials for use as catalysts and adsorbents from Northeastern University. He has a bachelor&#8217;s degree in chemical engineering and philosophy from the University of New Hampshire. He is the former MUFON Director of Research and is also is one of the hosts of the Mad Scientist podcast, which covers the history and philosophy of science, as well as fringe science claims throughout time. He often discusses UFOs on this program as well, which we are eager to delve into a bit with him here. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">\u201cOne possibility we cannot ignore here,\u201d Cogswell says, \u201cis that our current science may not be able to understand or determine the properties or applications for which a given material has been engineered.\u201d More broadly speaking, we wonder whether the same might not apply to <i>any <\/i>attempt at observing a significantly more advanced technology. We get Cogswell\u2019s opinions on this, in relation to the controversy surrounding the \u201calien metal\u201d in the possession of the To the Stars Academy, and much more on this edition of <i>The Micah Hanks Program.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Below are links to stories featured in this week&#8217;s episode:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"p1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vice.com\/en_us\/article\/8xwp9z\/ufo-researcher-explains-why-she-sold-exotic-metal-to-tom-delonge\"><span class=\"s1\">UFO Researcher Explains Why She Sold &#8216;Exotic&#8217; Metal to Tom DeLonge<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"p1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.themadscientistpodcast.com\/\"><span class=\"s1\">The Mad Scientist Podcast<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"p1\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.openminds.tv\/the-science-of-proving-an-object-was-created-by-an-extraterrestrial-civilization\/42049\"><span class=\"s1\">\u201cThe science of proving an object was created by an extraterrestrial civilization\u201d<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gralienreport.com\/x\">BECOME AN X SUBSCRIBER AND GET EVEN MORE GREAT PODCASTS AND MONTHLY SPECIALS FROM MICAH HANKS.<\/a><\/h3>\n<div class=\"ezAdsense adsense adsense-midtext\">Sign up today and get access to the entire back catalog of<strong>\u00a0The Micah Hanks Program,\u00a0<\/strong>as well as \u201cclassic\u201d episodes of\u00a0<em>The Gralien Report Podcast,<\/em>\u00a0weekly \u201cadditional editions\u201d of the subscriber-only\u00a0<em><strong>X Podcast,<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0the monthly\u00a0<strong>Enigmas\u00a0<\/strong>specials, and much more.<\/div>\n<p>Like us on\u00a0<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/GralienReport\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">Facebook<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Follow\u00a0<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.twitter.com\/MicahHanks\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">@MicahHanks<\/a>\u00a0<\/strong>on Twitter<\/p>\n<p>Follow Micah on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/micah_hanks\/?hl=en\"><strong>Instagram<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This week we are joined Chris Cogswell, Ph.D., a chemical engineer and host of the Mad Scientist Podcast, to discuss alleged &#8220;alien&#8221; metamaterials and their scientific testing. <span class=\"more-link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/micahhanks.com\/podcast\/2019\/12\/03\/12-02-19-mad-scientists-and-metamaterials\/\">Continue Reading<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":175,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[157,158,159,154,156,152,155,153,89,4],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>12.02.19. 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